Saturday is for shitpollsting about MCU

[lunabee34]

Poll #21443 the preferred term is master of the mystic arts

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Clint Barton's secret family is

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an awesome reveal that adds to his character
4 (16.0%)

really getting in the way of my Clint/Coulson
3 (12.0%)

probably dusted :(
11 (44.0%)

improbably secret
14 (56.0%)

really refreshing since most of the other characters seem to struggle with interpersonal relationships
9 (36.0%)

something else I will tell you in comments
4 (16.0%)

How much do we want to see Pepper as Rescue in Endgame?

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to infinity and beyond
12 (48.0%)

the mostest
8 (32.0%)

more than chocolate
14 (56.0%)

gimme, gimme, grabby hands
14 (56.0%)

not at all
2 (8.0%)

When Thor makes love to his sweet rabbit,

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it brings Loki back to life
1 (4.8%)

they must endure and overcome the xenophobia of most of the galaxy's heroes
1 (4.8%)

Shuri makes Rocket some badass weaponry as a present for the ensuing wedding
11 (52.4%)

no one expects the pregnancy
13 (61.9%)

Natasha is better as a redhead.

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yes
26 (100.0%)

no
0 (0.0%)

Comments

[kore]

I am loving these polls! They're so fun.

I LOATHED the farm as Whedon's kind of mid-life crisis urban dude fantasy, but it has real and intriguing potential (and even actual-actual) in other directions.

My headcanon is, if it's flipped so Laura is Barney's widow, and Clint is taking care of his brother's family, then you can still have Clintasha and an OT3 if you want! Although I do really like the nearly-canon OT3 in Ultron, too, it's one of the few things I like about the damn movie, and that still permits for Clintasha and a fandom OT3. -- I like that "disaster Barton" has a real home, I love Linda Cardinelli, I love how Nat has apparently successfully kept the secret for years and years, and how they NAME A KID AFTER HER. Nat is so isolated in the comics, and connection/found family is a huge thing for her in the movies. Old Man Barton's Farm is possibly one of those things that can look nuclear and vanilla from the outside, but meet the different needs of people actually in it, and I like how fic can explore that from all different kinds of angles.

I even love all the fanon about it, stuff like how Laura gave Nat the necklace, or Laura and Nat got together first, or Laura was at SHIELD, or Clint brought Nat to the farm after bringing her in from the cold, or how Nat brings Wanda to meet them after AoU, whatever. I do really dislike how Whedon sets it up as the mid-life crisis cliche thing in the film (will Clint quit his dangerous job? WTF is Tony making that awful joke about making PEPPER live on a farm? WHY does Laura get the horrible line about "Soooo Nat and Bruce"? HOME RENO??). And why THAT SCENE, the one where Nat says she can't have kids and is a monster (I know, I know, not how Whedon meant it, but it still NEGATES the whole setup we've just seen where she's Auntie Nat??) And why is the baby a son. In like every single sff series/movie where a woman is pregnant the result is a boy. Why, just why. A girl could still have the goddamn middle name of Petra or even Pietra, it would be fine.

(Also nobody can convince me Nat would SUGGEST DITCHING EVERYONE ELSE IN HER LIFE for Bruce while standing in the NURSERY of her found family OT3. Just....why, Whedon? So badly done. sigh.)

[lunabee34]

Oh, those are all really interesting possibilities! I would read lots of fic of all of that.

I like the farm because it gives Clint stakes the others don't have. None of them are married; none of them have kids. I don't by any means think those are the only important relationships someone can have, but I like that it makes what might hurt him or break him different than what might hurt or break another Avenger.

[kore]

I really didn't personally like what Whedon did with the farm/wife/kids, but something about Clint having those hidden ties (and Nat knowing about them) really is so appealing, since a lot of the other Avengers are so cut off (Steve, Thor, and they even have Tony lose Pepper for a bit). I think there's a small chill niche where people write Laura fic, I'll have to get down some of my ideas....

[lunabee34]

Yeah, Nat being 100% in on the secret, not just knowing but being known, really sold it for me.

[kore]

YES. When the little girl? runs at her and is all "AUNTIE NAT!!" my bitter black wizened heart grew three sizes. Partly because the same damn movie was so harping on her infertility, but it was also like there was also that emphasis on, here's her found family, she can have love anyway.

[tabaqui]

I totally am behind that. She's Barney's widow, or she's Clint's half-sister or something. But the whole sekrit!hidden!!family!!! out on the farm? Was utterly ridiculous.

But then - most of AoU was utterly ridiculous, so.....

HOMG, yes, Natasha and Bruce's whole...thing...was so very stupid and weird and out there. Like the Sharon/Steve kiss - shoehorned in, incredibly ridiculous, totally without story/plot merit. Yuck.

(I'm late to this discussion, but I just had to jump in.)

[kore]

But then - most of AoU was utterly ridiculous, so.....

TRUE STORY

HOMG, yes, Natasha and Bruce's whole...thing...was so very stupid and weird and out there. Like the Sharon/Steve kiss - shoehorned in, incredibly ridiculous, totally without story/plot merit. Yuck.

Like I saw one person on Tumblr say, the last time we saw Nat and Bruce together in any way, she was TERRIFIED of him. He was CHASING her. She can persuade Bruce, but nobody can persuade or reason with or whatever with the Hulk. (Altho then in the very same movie he can understand and respond to Steve's commands, and also save Tony, so IDEFK.) And then we jump to the lullaby thing which would have to be probably practiced, and who came up with it and why, and all that? The team movies notoriously aren't about characterization, but this is where that started to be a big problem, because you can't just whip out a complicated relationship like that and call it done.

[tabaqui]

THIS.
It was just dredged from nowhere, with nothing to back it up. The whole lullaby thing was ridiculous, imo. Don't get me wrong, i adored the 'hang out at Tony's, post-party chit-chat' vibe, but there was literally *nothing* that led up to 90 percent of the relationships in that movie.

I blame Whedon. Forever.

[lunabee34]

I like Bruce/Nat just fine, but I tend to think along the lines of "everyone in this bar is so pretty! I want them to sleep with me bone already" in regards to my favorite shows.

I agree that the Hulk is really inconsistently characterized; sometimes he's responsive and seems to know what's going on and to have team spirit and sometimes he's uncontrollable and etc. I think what they're trying to go for is a progression of Hulk being more and more known to the team and able to function more and more as part of the group and follow directions, etc.

And who knows what the deal is now that Bruce spent the last movie unable to Hulk out.

[kore]

Yeah, that was weird -- like the audience thought he was afraid of Thanos, and then the Russos said something like, no, he was tired of handling Banner's shit? (Which....nice priorities, Hulk!) We're supposedly getting Professor Hulk in Endgame, IDEK. I hope Fluffalo is less comic relief in that one.

[lunabee34]

Emma thinks Bruce is scared subconsciously to turn back into the Hulk because he doesn't want to get stuck that way after spending so much time as Hulk on the trash planet.

[lunabee34]

There is no late on this journal! It is for all time! :)

I also did not like the Sharon/Steve kiss which I hate because I did like Sharon a lot and feel like her character got short changed. I liked her as Steve's neighbor and even as a potential love interest; I liked her as one of the few who stood up for what's right at Shield.

The kiss was just awkwardly done.

[tabaqui]

SO awkward. So out of left field. So pointless.

I get so tired of guy? girl? THEY MUST HAVE FEEEEEEELINGS!! stuff in movies/tv. The writers are so often just super-lazy with it, it's become so expected, they put forth no effort at all.

[lunabee34]

*nods nods*

[kore]

I loved her in TWS, and then it was like she was just totally there for Steve's benefit in CW.