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lunabee34 ([personal profile] lunabee34) wrote2009-07-18 11:02 pm
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Bring Back that Loving Feeling

So, I've been thinking about something lately. It's an amalgamation of reading SPN Big Bang and looking back through the first recs I made in the SPN fandom.

I want to write a season one or two SPN fic. You know what I'm talking about. Something gritty and uncertain, saving people hunting things the family business, two boys in a car, some goddamn hope on the horizon. Something [livejournal.com profile] causeways or [livejournal.com profile] traveller or [livejournal.com profile] mikhale (who else wants it to be Joel? LOL) might have written in the wayback. And I don't think I can do it.

I've been trying to pin down why and I think it's because I know what happens next. That's never been a problem for me before. I had no problem writing Basement Fic in BtVS even though I'd seen the whole series and [livejournal.com profile] ariadne83 and I are rocking Our Own Private Bang even though SG-1 and SGA are both over and there's no surprises left there. But for some reason, I cannot get out of the emotional headspace of season four--or really, to be more accurate, the moment that Dean made the deal with the crossroads demon. That seems the irrevocable moment for me, the invisible line I'm having trouble crossing.

I want to write this thing that is bereft of the apocalypse, where Dean's soul is stuck in his chest safe and sound, and the worst things we've got to worry about are: Where's Dad and what does the YED want? But I feel like I can't shed the unremitting loss and sorrow of the subsequent three seasons, like it's going to bleed over somehow into anything I try to write. Does that make sense? (It's like how I won't get the subtext in a show at all (*cough* McShep *cough*) for three seasons and then suddenly when I do see it, I can't help but see it from episode one on, even if it wasn't there in the least for me on the first go round.)

Does anybody else have this problem? What do you do? How do you fix it? Are there any concrete writing strategies you use?

[identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com 2009-07-19 04:24 am (UTC)(link)
I just started working on a story where, after War Stories, Mal and Zoe really *do* sleep together, and Wash is so upset that he packs his bags and leaves, so it's the new pilot (or, as River insists on calling him, "Fred Shirt") who dies.

I was going to say that post-Serenity, it's really hard to write happy, fluffy, W/Z except that, and my actual answer to your question, is that, when you think of it, everybody is going to die sooner or later, and we all KNOW that, so it's just icing on the cake that Dean is going to be in Hell temporarily a little sooner than he expected to get there permanently.
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[identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com 2009-07-20 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
or, as River insists on calling him, "Fred Shirt"

Best. Line. Ever.

I was going to say that post-Serenity, it's really hard to write happy, fluffy, W/Z except that, and my actual answer to your question, is that, when you think of it, everybody is going to die sooner or later, and we all KNOW that, so it's just icing on the cake that Dean is going to be in Hell temporarily a little sooner than he expected to get there permanently.

*nods nods*

Absolutely and intellectually I get that and it's never bothered me when writing fanfic before; pretty much all my original fandoms were closed once I got there and it made no matter. But for some reason, it's like I can't get my emotional headspace in the right order for a fic from that season.

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[personal profile] ariadne83 2009-07-19 05:49 am (UTC)(link)
This is completely unrelated to your post (LOL typical) but the more I think about it, the more Lucy (de Vigne's wife, from your paper) kinda reminds me of Euripides' Medea. She's reliant on her husband for social status, which makes her a sympathetic figure at the beginning of the play when she finds out her husband is ditching her (albeit for a woman of higher status). And Jason, the "hero" of mythology, comes across as a complete douchebag because he tries to convince Medea that being dumped is beneficial to her and her children.

None of which prepares the audience for the *horrible* things she does to punish him later on. She kills new wife to prevent her children from being replaced, and then she kills her own children - partly to protect them from retribution, partly to spite Jason so that he dies childless. And Medea gets away scot-free.
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[identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com 2009-07-20 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
I got your edited copy of the essay back. I'm going to save it to look at until tomorrow, but thank you!!!!!!!! *hugs*

You are so right; Lucy is the direct descendent of Medea. I was reading a book just for pleasure the other day (a compilation of essays written by women from this century that Exec sent me) and one of the first essays is about conditions for women working in millinery and OMG, Ariadne, OMG. They were often expected to work twenty hours a day for months on end. They would go blind, routinely. Mostly they died while still girls. No wonder Lucy wants to get the hell out of that. I don't blame her one bit. What would have happened to Medea if Jason throws her over? How would her life have changed if she had just let it happen?
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[personal profile] ariadne83 2009-07-20 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Basically, Medea had nothing. She betrayed her father in order to get the golden fleece for Jason, so she has absolutely no family support other than her husband. And she has two children to support, if Jason's new wife won't accept them.

Her only option, other than maybe prostitution or something, was to beg for someone to take her in - which, incidentally, is what she does.
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[identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com 2009-07-20 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
So she and Jason weren't ever officially married? How would that have played out in society at the time? Was unmarried shacking up and procreating not the grave sin it is in the Victorian era? :)
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[personal profile] ariadne83 2009-07-20 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
They were, but divorce law was pretty lax. Marriage was arranged between the men, and the only way for Medea to challenge a divorce would be if her father stood up for her. Which he wasn't about to do, so she was helpless to prevent Jason from leaving.
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[identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com 2009-07-20 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
Gotcha.
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[personal profile] ariadne83 2009-07-20 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
She was a princess; now she's a princess-in-exile.
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[personal profile] kaleecat 2009-07-19 06:55 am (UTC)(link)
To an extent I have that problem with my Stargate SG-1 muse. I've never been able to write an early season story, not even a drabble, because of how the characters (O'Neill) and friendships (jack & daniel) were butchered from around mid-season 4 onward. Seasons 8-10 are mostly like a weird show that vaguely resembles what I fell in love with which has made it difficult to write/finish what I do have. So totally different reason, but a similar outcome--inability to write.

With SPN I've barely broken the plastic seal on season 1, but I know from, well everywhere, what happens & I think that is why I haven't been gobbling the episodes. Because I know the angst that is to come. Maybe it's about spending time with the boys when it was just the brothers hunting, wondering if Dad is going to bother calling back.

I find sometimes, if I can just sit down and watch a concentration of 'early' SG1 episodes and think only of what I love in them I can tease out a moment & try to just get a drabble. (i need to do this with ncis b/c late seasons are so frustrating). Re-capture the breathless feel of Jack's "spacemonkey" hug with a moment of my own--be it friendship or burgeoning love or established relationship. It's the not thinking too much that does it. Does this work for me? Sort of, but then my muse is notoriously absent and the only writing worth anything I did for 2 years was thanks to the prompt call you inspired, and one personal SG1 inspiration.

But it might work for you, focus on only watching & reading 1st or 2nd season--concentrate on that early semi-innocence. Think of it as an AU and negate the deal or what precipitated the deal. Say, "It was bad writing, I'm gonna fix it" and turn the dime on it's head by changing one little thing.
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[identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com 2009-07-20 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
That is actually a really good suggestion. Watch some season one episodes (some of which I've only seen once), read some fic and look for the little moments to slip a fic in.

*hugs*

Thank you!!!!!
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[personal profile] kaleecat 2009-07-20 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
((hugs back)) You're welcome. :-)

I'm glad you're comps paper is going well.

wish my dissertation was.
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[identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com 2009-07-20 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
*hugs*

That sucks. Can I help?