lunabee34: (spn: castiel by creativeelf)
[personal profile] lunabee34
I have seen a lot of posts that are highly critical of this episode so

this dump of squee may not be for you.

I get why a lot of people are perturbed with this episode. Season four of SPN is a lot like season six of BtVS [and I promise that this digression makes a point!]. When I first watched that season (with the exception of the musical episode), I pretty much hated it. I thought the season was weak and handwavy and, frankly, awful. It wasn't until I kinda forced myself to watch that season again that I really appreciated what Joss was doing and now I have massive love for that season's arc. You see, I love Buffy. She's the hero; she's strong yet vulnerable. She is one girl against all the evil of the world; she is the voice of justice when no one else can carry out that task. She is also funny and bendy and sweet with amazing sartorial sense. And in season six, she does terrible, terrible things. She behaves horribly towards Spike and she pretty much checks out of life and she becomes this hollow shell of what she once was. Which, yes, I get *now* was the whole point. She's depressed, she's hurting in this way that no one living can possibly ever hope to comprehend because she's been expelled from heaven and her mom has died and her daddy clearly does not give a shit and DUDE! The exploration of psyche that goes on there is awesome. But it hurts to watch Buffy be that person. It hurts to watch Willow, who in previous seasons was probably the character that I most identified with (smart and responsible and loyal and yet incredibly fun and witty and okay maybe I was just wishing for those last attributes but still; character like me! yay!), become a meglomaniac--an addict that damages herself and others. And Xander. Oh, Xander. The everyman. The heart. The one who sees. The one who leaves the woman he loves at the altar like a coward. Let's not forget Spike holding Buffy down in the shower or Giles turning tail and running in a mirror image of Xander's behavior and Dawn shoplifting and Anya returning to the vengeance biz. These are characters that I love, that sometimes feel more real and vital and interesting to me than the bullshit in my very real and non-magical life, and watching them destroy themselves and just in general behave like total shitheads hurts. The first go 'round, I felt so betrayed by the good guys that I couldn't think about what richness, what depth, what complexity their forays into darkness ultimately give the series as a whole. (I mean, seriously. Is Wesley even interesting until he locks a girl in the closet? LOL)

SPN is kind of in the same place. Sam has pulled his sock hat down tight over his ears, zipped up his parka, and taken a running leap down the slippery slope. Dean has done things that are awful, that are terrible, that may ultimately be unforgiveable. He's a different man than before that trip downstairs and I get why the gradual erosion of Sam and Dean's boundaries and morals and sense of ethical responsiblity bothers a lot of fans. IT'S SUPPOSED TO.

I am glad that Dean is different, that he is changed, that he and others perceive him to be weaker than he was before he died. Of course he's weaker! How lame would it be if Dean came back and he was exactly the same? I like that he is broken, that he is psychologically destroyed. And Sam. One of the over arching themes of SPN has been: Is Sam evil? If he is evil, can he resist that evil or should he be destroyed? I think the show has to go there, all the way, full throttle--has to give us a Sam who is changing, who is darker, who is damaging himself ala Willow with every personal boundary he eliminates. And now, when Sam is redeemed, that redemption will mean something. He will know just how far he can fall, just how lost he can become and that darkness will always be there inside unless he can keep it contained. Before, Sam turning evil was an amorphous threat, a possibility--like a car wreck or a gas leak. Now it's real and it's always there and he will have to learn to live knowing that he is a very real threat. (I will now refrain from making comparisons to Willow, Angel, Spike, and Connor.)

But I will make another Wesley reference. BECAUSE I CAN! :) Wesley's devolution is some masterful TV, y'all, and is, I think, the number one reason to watch Ats. You smoke one toke over the line, sweet Jesus, and pretty soon you're taking bong hits from a used gas can that your best friend gave you for your birthday. When SPN has shown us older hunters, they have been invariably bitter, fucked up, solitary people. I don't think you can keep hunting all your live long days and also keep your personal integrity because at some point the two will become mutually exclusive. You can't do the job forever without one day brushing up against some evil that only goes away when you do something heinous to get rid of it. Rougarou anybody? Or werewolves? Maybe John Winchester didn't get down off Alistair's table, but he didn't exactly deserve Father of the Year when he was alive either. Hunters are stone and hunting is the acid rain that eats away at their resolve.

I used to think that I would tire very quickly of SPN, that since the only relationship the show was ever going to fully develop or, oh, not kill one half of was Sam and Dean's, that I sooner or later they would run through every permutation possible between these two boys and I would just go, "Whatever. Been there. Angsted that." But I was so damn wrong. Those things that stay the same--the sacrifices they make for each other, Dean's big brother role, Sammy's vulnerability, two boys walking in step--those have never gotten old for me. And the things that are changing--Dean's new vulnerability, the lack of trust between them--those just make them sweeter.

In terms of this actual episode, I love love love love love that finally they have given a reason for the angels to have pulled Dean out of hell that doesn't start: Into every generation, a Slayer is born. Dean broke the first seal and so he must be the one to seal the deal [ahahahahahahh I am awesome. Ahem.] I swear I almost heard John say, "Back in 1835... they say Samuel Colt made a gun." Way to tie together all those loose plot threads and get with the sense-making, Kripke. Bravo!!

I love that again we get no evidence that God is real. I love that every single angel in this episode acknowledges that they have no idea whether God even exists and I love that Uriel admits that he thinks something is incredibly wrong with the orders they've been given. Contrary to a lot of other fans, I very much like that Uriel turned out to have his own agenda. He was clear from the start that he did not like humanity, that we usurped the angels' position of favor with God, and I like that finally--just like demons--canon gives us angels who are working for their own agendas and often at cross purposes. They are united by tradition and belief, but not a singular entity [God] that is telling them what to do. Of course, Lucifer being a real entity kinda fucks with my idea that he also is a mythical being. I really hope SPN doesn't lame that up, but I'm taking a wait and see attitude there. I hate that Uriel died; I love that actor [Bunny Colvin, whooooooo!] and I loved the interplay between Uriel and Castiel. But I think that Uriel's betrayal, Uriel's death, is the only thing that could have pushed Castiel into the place of doubt we leave him at episode's close. Castiel is Dean, with the largely absent father whose sometimes nonsensical orders must be obeyed without question. And like season one Dean, Castiel is a good soldier. He does what he's told and he toes the party line and he finishes the mission. Castiel's worldview, his sense of what is right and wrong and who is to be trusted has to be completely destroyed before he can even contemplate disobedience. I think losing Uriel, who is clearly the closest friend he has, pushes him over that edge. I also like that we have an explanation for what I found to be very contradictory characterization with Uriel. Anna and Castiel tell us that angels don't have emotions and that acquiring them is a gift of humanity. Uriel is incredibly emotional--he's angry, vengeful, sarcastic, even amused at times. Very different than Castiel's alien bird stare. And now we know that this is because Uriel has already fallen. Oh, he may not have ripped out his grace or anything so dramatical, but he's turned his back on the mission. He has ceased to be an angel in the way that Castiel is. I wonder how many centuries in the making Uriel's disobedience has been.

I love Castiel's evolution--the beginnings of emotions in him, his doubts, his fears. I think he's going to be the Neville of this story arc. He may not exactly defeat Voldemort but he's going to be totally necessary to the war against evil. And I bet the Cas/Dean shippers had a field day with this one.

Killing off secondary characters remains my only true quibble with this show. Please for the love of baby Sammy, Kripke, let somebody who's not SamBobbyDean live once in a while. I get the whole "one family against the world" vibe but you are taking it to terrible extremes. Much like Axe Body Spray.

Okay, *ducks the tomatoes*. I think like I'm alone on this since every review I've read so far has been negative. Feel free to criticize. :)



Huh. This got really long. Like, really long. With analogies. *hides*

Date: 2009-03-23 02:38 am (UTC)
tabaqui: (s&dsepiabyapreludetoanend)
From: [personal profile] tabaqui
OMGOMGOMG.
I love you.
So much.

I haven't seen much in the way of negative reviews, but i know people are upset and chaffing and cranky over stuff and THIS.

This is why i love Show, this is why i'm practically jittering out of my chair every thursday, this is why i *watch* and re-watch and write and angst and *care*, so damn much.

I hate that Sam and Dean are so distant and unhappy and falling to pieces but it has to be like this. Dean was *in hell*. He's fucked six ways from sunday and that's on top of all the *other* ways he was fucked before.

And Sam - Sam saw him die. Sam failed to save him. Sam tried to die, himself, and Sam is convinced that not only is he tainted - impure - but that he's the only one that can do this and that he has to shield his brother and shoulder these burdens and *make it right*.

And he has all those little-brother problems of hero-worship gone sour and inferiority and resentment and desperate, needy love....

And yes, i love that nobody's seen god. That nobody's seen Lucifer for an eon. That they exist as figureheads and distant parental figures but that they're not really *real*. And i love that it all seems to be breaking down.

Castiel is...just.... I love his doubts, his courage, his clear affection for Dean. I love that he wants so badly to do good, but sees the harm in what's going on - in his orders and in the war.

I love that Uriel had angels on his side that now, at his death, might turn against Castiel and the boys - that might tip the balance badly, or might repent....or might become a third faction in this two-sided war.

Just....YES.
*twirls you around*

This should be linked on the newsletter. :)

Date: 2009-03-23 12:32 pm (UTC)
ext_2351: (spn: sam profile b/w)
From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
And he has all those little-brother problems of hero-worship gone sour and inferiority and resentment and desperate, needy love....

Yes, yes! Thank you for articulating this because this is exactly what I meant re: Sam. There is a role reversal there that neither of them is handling well.

I am so glad I am not the only one that loves this episode. :)

Date: 2009-03-23 02:57 am (UTC)
ext_841: (dean fights evil (by neery))
From: [identity profile] cathexys.livejournal.com
I must have a very different flist. Most responses I saw were very very pissed at Uriel's death but liked the rest. And that's where I was. Though I think that killing of another COC (especially one who was showing so much potential to be interesting) really really marred the ep. It took away a lot of my happy squee.

As for the rest...I love the Dean arc, and I'm not hating the Sam one (well, I'm hating what he's doing, but if there were no conflict and drama and, yes, bad choices, shows would be incredibly boring, I think :)

Date: 2009-03-23 03:55 am (UTC)
ext_150: (Default)
From: [identity profile] kyuuketsukirui.livejournal.com
I have seen quite a few people saying that the show is not the Sam&Dean show they loved anymore, it's the Dean&Castiel show, etc.

I don't care about the characters or their bond at all, though, for me the interesting thing has always been the plot, so aside from the racial skeeviness, I am pretty pleased with things.

Date: 2009-03-23 12:37 pm (UTC)
ext_2351: (spn: colt by trustygeek)
From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
I am digging on the plot as well. I loved how in the season two finale, Kripke tied together all these seemingly loose threads and made something awesome out of Samuel Colt's gun and this season seems to be coming together in that same way for me.

Date: 2009-03-23 02:01 pm (UTC)
ext_841: (Default)
From: [identity profile] cathexys.livejournal.com
See, I love Cas, so that doesn't bug me too much. I'm not a Sam girl and init for the plot as well. Plus, I feel like having them be all nice and good would be boring!

Re skeeviness. no words!!!!

Date: 2009-03-23 12:36 pm (UTC)
ext_2351: (spn: pamela by inthe_sunshine)
From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
Well, you also have to remember that because my flist is so small, even two or three negative reviews seems like a lot to me. :)

I do wish this show would stop killing everybody. That's been my main problem from season one. I meet characters I like and want them to stick around for more than just a few episode run. I suppose we can take some comfort in the fact that SPN is an equal opportunity killer--*everybody* dies, even Sam and Dean. LOL

Date: 2009-03-23 02:00 pm (UTC)
ext_841: (adam (by monanotlisa))
From: [identity profile] cathexys.livejournal.com
Yes, I see :)

Equal Opportunity Killer? That'll always be MI-5 for me!!!

did you get my email?

Date: 2009-03-23 02:01 pm (UTC)
ext_2351: (Default)
From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
I think so. The one about blocking off times? I did that. :) If it's another one, then no.

Date: 2009-03-23 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
yes, that one. thanks :)

WORD to your dump of squee

Date: 2009-03-23 03:37 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Sorry, I'm a lurker with no LJ account, but I felt compelled to comment on your post anyway.

Thank you for your thoughtful (and squeeful!) episode review! I've also read some negative reactions to this episode, but I have to disagree with them and it's nice to see someone able to eloquently describe the ways in which this was one of my favorite episodes of this season.

I'm also a Buffy fan and remember feeling quite disappointed and frequently baffled with how dark EVERYTHING was in season 6 and onwards. But you may have convinced me to give it a second viewing...

I like your comment on how you feared how the relationship between Sam and Dean would stagnate through so many seasons of the same old, same old. One of the things I love about this show and its writers is how they're able to use the different mytharcs of each season to push around the structure of that relationship, and sometimes bring tension and conflict to it, without losing focus on how much Sam and Dean do care about and want the best for one another, in the end. This season, especially, the boys are more distant from one another than they've ever been before on the show, and I can't wait to see how things evolve.

Anyway, brava on a terrific review! No tomatoes from me (although I had to raise an eyebrow a little at the Axe Body Spray comment). Look forward to your future episode posts!

-kurzkreis

Re: WORD to your dump of squee

Date: 2009-03-23 12:45 pm (UTC)
ext_2351: (spn: dean eyball by kathrinchin)
From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
Hey, Kurzkreis! Welcome. I appreciate you delurking to comment on this post.

I would urge you to give the last two seasons of BtVS a try. On rewatch, I think you will be surprised at *funny* many of those episodes are. Because I was so upset at the character trajectories, I missed a lot of those funny moments. I also missed how that what happens in season six is really a culmination of very subtle character clues sprinkled throughout six seasons, especially with Willow. When I realized that she was already becoming dark veiny Willow back in season one, I was all, "Wow. That's some damn good story arc."

One of the things I love about this show and its writers is how they're able to use the different mytharcs of each season to push around the structure of that relationship, and sometimes bring tension and conflict to it, without losing focus on how much Sam and Dean do care about and want the best for one another, in the end. This season, especially, the boys are more distant from one another than they've ever been before on the show, and I can't wait to see how things evolve.

Yes, yes, yes! I agree with you one hundred percent.

Date: 2009-03-23 01:09 pm (UTC)
spikedluv: (spn: dean&castiel - & by totallygay81)
From: [personal profile] spikedluv
I swear *hand to heart* that I got more out of this than this bit, (I mean, seriously. Is Wesley even interesting until he locks a girl in the closet? LOL), but, OMG!!!! How freaking hot was Wesley after that?!!! *melts*

Those things that stay the same--the sacrifices they make for each other, Dean's big brother role, Sammy's vulnerability, two boys walking in step--those have never gotten old for me. And the things that are changing--Dean's new vulnerability, the lack of trust between them--those just make them sweeter.

Yes!!

I think losing Uriel, who is clearly the closest friend he has

And the funniest angel in the garrison. *bites lip* Sorry, I had to say it. *g*

And I bet the Cas/Dean shippers had a field day with this one.

I haven't read any Dean/Castiel in a while; I need to check out that comm again. I'll probably be there all week once I do. *g*

I think like I'm alone on this

You totally are not! I've read positive reviews on my f-list, and I really enjoyed this episode. Maybe it helps that I'm only on the periphery of fandom, I don't write 'em (unless it's a crossover) and I only read what's on my f-list ('cause so much of it is dreck), and it's easier to, I don't know, accept things as part of the larger picture when you're not QUITE as emotionally invested.

But, anyway, yes, great ep, and great meta. I really love reading your thinky posts, if I haven't mentioned that before (even if I don't comment on them all). *g*

Date: 2009-03-23 01:49 pm (UTC)
ext_2351: (spn: dean foreground b/w by motionswave)
From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
Oh, Wesley. Why did I delete my icon of you?

And the funniest angel in the garrison. *bites lip* Sorry, I had to say it. *g*

JOsh and I both rolled when Castiel said that. Such a fun line.

I really love reading your thinky posts, if I haven't mentioned that before (even if I don't comment on them all). *g*

Yay! *hugs*

Date: 2009-03-24 11:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] horusguard76.livejournal.com
Woah! I know Buffy (I still love it) and it is a very good parallel you draw here. Similar situation - human comes back from an in-human environment and is changed. Irrevocably. In Dean's case, I have to say that I personally believe that he needed to hit rock bottom. I regard it as the end result of his journey to 'humbleness'. Which for me started somewhat in that episode with the fake angel in season 2, I think.

All his former sacrifices for his family have been 'knee-jerk' reactions but this, this prepares him for something bigger, something which has to grow and come out of him. Just like Buffy had to realize that she had to give up something - share her powers - to win the war, so to speak. (Instead of simply fighting against the big bad)

Again, thank you for sharing your insights. I am curious how many more parallels to Buffy we will see in the future. ;)

Date: 2009-03-24 03:55 pm (UTC)
ext_2351: (sg1: baal by ladyireth)
From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
Is that Baal in your icon? Best Stargate villain EVER!

Similar situation - human comes back from an in-human environment and is changed. Irrevocably.

*nods*

I just don't see how you *can* go through something like that and remain essentially the same person.

I'm curious as well! Here's looking forward to Thursday!

Date: 2009-03-24 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] horusguard76.livejournal.com
Yup, that's Baal in the flesh (I wish). It's cool that so many people in the SPN fandom also like either SG-1 or SG-A.

Oh my, now that's one very hot Baal icon you got there. Absolutely drool worthy. Is it self-made? Because I have wadded through three Stargate graphics coms and came up with barely 10 Baal icons. (he was the BEST villain and all he gets are 10 meager icons? Unfair. *pouts*)

""I'm curious as well! Here's looking forward to Thursday!""
Indeed, counting the hours here. :)

Date: 2009-03-24 09:31 pm (UTC)
ext_2351: (sg1: gate b/w by catharsis_o_s)
From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
This icon was made by [livejournal.com profile] ladyireth who has made a lot of the icons I've uploaded. (All my icons are shareable BTW except for the ones with my name on them, so have at it if you like something; I've got a fair amount of SGA and SG1) You might check out hir journal and see what you can find there. :)

Date: 2009-03-26 09:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] horusguard76.livejournal.com
Bless you, good soul! I will so check her LJ out. :) *runs off*

Date: 2009-03-24 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moodswingers.livejournal.com
Fantastic, and I completely agree.

I love your parallels with Buffy, because both boys made me think of her in this episode - Dean with his despair and the weight of responsibility, and Sam with his demon blood - infused with demon essence to make him strong, just like the First Slayer.

Date: 2009-03-24 04:00 pm (UTC)
ext_2351: (spn: sam profile b/w)
From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
Sam with his demon blood - infused with demon essence to make him strong, just like the First Slayer.

*nods*

It's going to be so interesting to see how they resolve that issue. Will Sam, like Buffy, ultimately have to accept that part of him, or will it be treated more like an addiction that he has to overcome, that he can ultimately be rid of?

Date: 2009-03-24 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anaphiel.livejournal.com
Most definitely I agree with you. I absolutely loved this episode.

It seems fans are divided into two camps - those who prefer the episodic approach the show took in Seasons 1 and 2 and the mytharc approach in seasons 3 and 4. I tend to like the season-long arcs. I would have long ago tired of watching Dean and Sam battle the current MotW without any real change or evolution in their personalities and relationship. Especially since this cast is so limited to these two boys (who are mighty fine to watch week in an week out, don't get me wrong). Without offering up new characters to add complications, all you get is a lot of same old same old.

BTW, I also loved Buffy Season 6. In fact, it might be my fav. Buffy season of them all. Then again, I'm a Buffy/Spike shipper, so I'm biased. Great comparison that you made between the two. I really enjoyed reading this meta.

Date: 2009-03-24 10:19 pm (UTC)
ext_2351: (btvs: b/w spander by literati)
From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
I will always and forever enjoy huge, huge storyarcs. It's one of the reasons that Deep Space Nine is my favorite Trek--the story arc beings in episode one and culminates in the final episode. Sure, there's tons of one offs, but most of the episodes are working towards this goal and I *love* that.

Oh, I love me some Buffy/Spike too. A piece of Spuffy was the very first fanfic I ever read actually.

Date: 2009-03-25 12:49 am (UTC)
ext_36848: (Boys' Broken Hearts)
From: [identity profile] andreth47.livejournal.com
Fab, FAB meta! I was just nodding and grinning all the way through it...total agreement. I thought this was the best episode of the season so far, and I'm amazed that some people didn't like it.

I get why the gradual erosion of Sam and Dean's boundaries and morals and sense of ethical responsiblity bothers a lot of fans. IT'S SUPPOSED TO.

THIS. This ep was a real turning point for both our boys. And the yummy yummy manpain ain't over with yet, either! Sam's still heading downwards, and Dean has a long, long climb ahead of him to get anywhere good.

I also really liked your parallel with S6 Buffy. Sam's lack of affect this season is a lot like Buffy's was then. And his addiction storyline is a lot like Willow's was. I actually hope they don't do as obvious an addiction metaphor as they did with Willow (I thought that Willow's addiction was to power, not dark floating-on-the-ceiling trippy 'magicks', so that storyline didn't work very well for me).

Date: 2009-03-25 01:00 am (UTC)
ext_2351: (spn: ruby 2nd incarnationby keyweegirlie)
From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
*nods*

That is the one aspect of Willow's characterization that I still have major issues. I thought it was pretty ridiculous for magic itself to be the addiction when I think, like you say, it's clear from season one on that power and control are really what she's after. (From some commentary (http://lunabee34.livejournal.com/31360.html) on "Ted": I think these few throwaway lines at the very end about Willow keeping parts of the robot are an essential part of her character development. W’s interest in magic and the paranormal does begin as a desire to know more and to use that knowledge to help, to make the world a better place. Increasingly though, her desire for knowledge becomes more narcissistic and disturbing. I’m thinking of the fight she has with Buffy in the season 4 haunted frat house episode. She’s angry with Buffy because she knows this spell that Buffy doesn’t want her to attempt for very practical and sound reasons. Willow counters with something like (to paraphrase) “Who made you boss?” She wants to demonstrate her power for selfish reasons, not necessarily the collective good.


Your parallel between Buffy and Sam is really apt as well. He is not season one Sammy anymore. He has accepted that death is his gift, so to speak. (And how much do I love love love that Ruby gets to call him Sammy now? Kind of a whole hell of a lot LOL)

Date: 2009-03-25 01:10 am (UTC)
ext_36848: (Wincest fight)
From: [identity profile] andreth47.livejournal.com
And how much do I love love love that Ruby gets to call him Sammy now?

I know, right? It's so WRONG!! And the maternal overtones of the bloodsucking scene, with her petting his hair and smiling creepily down at him while he "nurses"....ewwwwww! Deliciously evil.

Yeah, Willow wanted control and power. She wanted to be able to stop the pain. And Sam has a lot of those same issues, I think. He wants to tell people what to do 'for their own good', to make things better, and he's willing to take some horrific shortcuts to get there.

And Dean. Oh, Dean. *hugs Dean* Get off your gorgeous ass and save your brother, Dean! He needs you!

This season ROCKS. The fact that the boys are so far from themselves, even kind of reconciles me to the lack of Cock Rock...as long as we get the soundtrack back when the boys finally get back together and Kick Some Ass in the Winchester way, and drive off into the sunset together. Or, you know, die. Whichever, Kripke. I'm happy either way, as long as they're together. Of course, we'll probably have to wait until S5 for that!

Date: 2009-03-25 02:06 pm (UTC)
ext_2351: (spn: back in black by no_other_choice)
From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
Oh, yes! You're right. Creepy maternal overtones FTW. I hadn't even picked up on that before you mentioned it.

I miss the music more than I can say. I really, really miss it.

Date: 2009-03-25 10:17 pm (UTC)
ext_1770: @ _jems_ (fandom: spn poets holy)
From: [identity profile] oxoniensis.livejournal.com
Definitely not alone in this! I loved this episode so much - it was painful, seeing the path the boys are taking and angels falling and others tormented because they want to do what's right but can't tell who or what to trust, but it was so good.

I was absolutely blown away with the revelation as to why Dean is so important - why the demon's wouldn't have been at all interested in Sam exchanging his soul for Dean's, and why Castiel had to pull him out of hell. The idea of angels laying siege to hell and failing to get to him in time is epic - at the rate time passes in hell, that must have been some battle.

I'm so glad I read your squee, because it just reinforced my own love.

Date: 2009-03-26 05:29 pm (UTC)
ext_2351: (spn: rocksalt ftw by surrexi)
From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
Lovely, lovely, lovely icon!

The idea of angels laying siege to hell and failing to get to him in time is epic - at the rate time passes in hell, that must have been some battle.

I know! *happy sigh* I think the writers of this show have a real gift for taking what seem to be disparate and unconnected threads and weaving them together into something wholly freaking awesome and unexpected. That will never get old for me.

Glad to spread the love!

Date: 2009-03-26 08:49 pm (UTC)
ext_1770: @ _jems_ (fandom: spn poets holy)
From: [identity profile] oxoniensis.livejournal.com
Lovely, lovely, lovely icon!

Thank you! I tried to make a coloured version, but it was seriously ugly, but I'm fond of the black and white one.

I think the writers of this show have a real gift for taking what seem to be disparate and unconnected threads and weaving them together into something wholly freaking awesome and unexpected.

It makes it a wonderfully exciting ride. I've followed shows where there have been fascinating ideas, but then they're just dropped/forgotten, and it's incredibly frustrating, so when the opposite happens, little things (that often seem unimportant on their own) are pulled together and a big picture emerges, then it's really thrilling.

Date: 2009-03-28 02:24 pm (UTC)
ext_2351: (spn: castiel by creativeelf)
From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
Black and white is pretty much my icon aesthetic, although I do have a fair amount of color icons uploaded. I am always in such awe of people who have icon maaking skills.

Date: 2009-03-28 07:30 pm (UTC)
ext_1770: @ _jems_ (fandom: spn don't look down)
From: [identity profile] oxoniensis.livejournal.com
Some people can do wonders with icons! Sadly I'm not one of them, but you're more than welcome to share that Castiel icon if you like it.

Date: 2009-03-29 12:23 am (UTC)
ext_2351: (heart by jjjean65)
From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
What a sweetheart!

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