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I decided to restructure my memories so that instead of having actual fics saved there, I will have saved to my memories recs posts with links to fics. Hence this post. Most of these are fics that I read in the first days of my newbie fannishness, and as such, (here lies my great fandom shame) many of them I did not feedback. I think it's not initially apparent that feedback is a part of fandom culture, especially if you stumble upon fandom through an archive or websites (as I did) where you're not interacting with people like you do on lj. Once I'd been on lj for awhile (and became a writer myself!), I realized that feedback is an integral part of the fannish experience. It's an important part of building community. I now leave feedback for everything I read in its entireity on lj but must admit to not leaving feedback for much fic I read on sites or in archives, or for fic in a fandom I don't "belong" to, whatever that means. Like, I've feedbacked almost none of those Trek fics I've been reccing. I know that's very horrible and bad. Does anybody else do this? Feedback primarily to fics presented in a certain forum? Rec things without having feedbacked them? I am rambling!! Sorry.

Big Damn List of Buffyverse Recs



Angel

Dead Sea by [livejournal.com profile] kita0610 Connor/Angel I have to admit I have a hard-core, down to my toes, Connor/Angel incest kink thing going on. And boy does this push all my buttons. Connor falls to his knees in front of Angel like bells breaking, like cathedrals crumbling. He reaches a hand out, squeezes hard, and the needs of Angel’s dick have always outweighed those of his soul.


One Perfect Moment by [livejournal.com profile] tabaqui This Buffy/Angel ficlet is gorgeous, so beautiful you ache to read it (Her mouth has no fear - her mouth finds his, and his jaw, and his throat. Hesitates for a moment when no pulse beats against her questing tongue but then he's tasting the sweetness of her collar-bone, soap and her skin under his own tongue and her hesitation is gone.), and the conclusion. Oh, the conclusion. Damn.

Buffy

Restricted Supplement to the Watcher's Guide, Concerning Amatory Matters by [livejournal.com profile] glossing B/O/G I put Oz in the middle of the pairing because he serves as the conduit between Buffy and Giles for me in this fic. Giles frowns slightly but when she elbows him again, his face lightens up. "There have been many occasions when Watchers married their Slayers, yes." There's that word again. "Their", like "mine" and "his", it's possession again, only, Buffy thinks, it's not really *possession*. More complicated than that. "No way," she says. She should be more grossed out than she actually is -- it's the idea of wearing a big white dress in a church with *Giles* next to her that's making her crack up. "Really?"



Connor

Imitation of Life by [livejournal.com profile] nihilistbear Connor/Spike I love the way this fic is structured, with Connor's dual set of memories competing for his attention and validation. See, he hadn’t expected this. Hadn’t expected the memories to fight for dominance, hadn’t expected it to be so goddamn hard. He turns restlessly in his bed, and tries to sleep.

Sins of the Father by [livejournal.com profile] nothingbutfic Connor/Angel, Connor/Holtz, Connor/Jasmine This is very clever, I think. I don't want to quote from it because it's very short and that would give much away. But a definite must read.

In Our Dreams, Snow by [livejournal.com profile] violetsmiles This shows us Connor's first experience with snow, and shows us glimpses of his life in Quortoth as well as with the AI team. Like most Connor!fic, deliciously angsty and heart-rippy-outy.


Cordelia


A Better Where to Find by [livejournal.com profile] doyle_sb4 This Cordelia-centric fic imagines that Cordy has ten more minutes that we don't see onscreen in which to say goodbye to the gang. She uses them to say goodbye to Connor. He looked different. He was still too skinny, and not very tall, and his brand new life clearly didn’t include a butch-er haircut. His eyes were different, though, when she got close enough to see them. He looked up and gave her a polite, shy smile, and his eyes weren’t haunted any more. The ending is particularly poignant and amazingly beautiful. Can't be praised highly enough, this fic.

Ethan

Five Decisions Ethan Rayne Never Made by [livejournal.com profile] mireille719 I absolutely love the five things meme; I think it's such a wonderful format that creates a lot of possibility for a writer, and [livejournal.com profile] mireille719 makes such excellent use of it. I really like her slashy take on Giles and Ethan's interactions when they were younger.

To Tell the Truth by [livejournal.com profile] rayne_y_daze A gorgeous fic written just for moi!! This gen piece imagines that Ethan must truthfully answer questions put forth by the Scoobs in order to gain admittance into heaven. We also discussed it in [livejournal.com profile] club_joss.

Fred

Loons Like Us by [livejournal.com profile] glossing Fred and Spike, gen. Spike finds Fred reliving some of her memories of Pylea. "Spent some time in the dark and the damp myself," Spike says after a bit. This closet is sharp with chemical smells, nothing like the dust and moldering wet of various basements, but he's remembering those basements all the same. "Me, too," she says and laughs effortfully again. Her voice is thick and she smiles when he hands her a tissue without saying anything. She blows her nose, a great honking rattle, and balls up the tissue. "Sometimes, I - I miss it. Sometimes. That's stupid, isn't it?" Then they steal Angel's car. *hearts*

Tassels by [livejournal.com profile] glossing Fred/Tara This fic supposes that Tara and Fred met once and relives the experience through Illyria's eyes. Very masterful use of POV and the shifts thereof. And lines like this: Fred is stronger than she ever thought, like a column of light and heat, twisting around Tara, ivy shooting around, tying them together, and she's never kissed a girl but holy sweet baby Jesus, she's *wanted* to, and Tara is soft and firm and tastes good and her hair gets in their mouths and they are laughing now as the storm lifts. are so. damn. good.




Giles

Once, as he Remembered, All Was Singing by [livejournal.com profile] doyle_sb4 Buffy/Giles Another Five Things piece, this fic is almost too beautiful for words. She leaves him a gift that he puts under the tree, and when he walks her to the door she suddenly turns, stands on her toes to press an awkward kiss to his cheek. “Thank you,” he says, for lack of anything else. “Merry Christmas.” At five in the morning he’s given up on sleep and moved to the sofa, turning her wrapped present over in his hands. It doesn’t require great analysis to reveal why he keeps dreaming of Buffy with a scar on her face, Buffy dying at the Master’s hands; in three weeks she turns eighteen.

What We Do And Say (A Guide to Saving the World, by Rupert Giles and Xander Harris) by [livejournal.com profile] stoptocheer Giles and Xander gen This switches POV, but startes with Giles's, so I'll put it here. All the times I thought I was going to save the world, it was usually wearing a tuxedo and sweeping in on my private jet. Not almost dying and telling my best friend how much I love her. The voices here are beyond reproach and a delight to read.

Gunn

Sandcastles and Rainstorms by [livejournal.com profile] missambs Gunn and Wes This fic is about the restoration of their relationship in early season five. There's magic and the beach and impeccable Gunn!voice, and it's so poignant.


Oz

All Along the Watchtower by [livejournal.com profile] tesla321 This is about music and Oz and which albums remind him of which people. Water seem to run out of all the cracks in Oz's heart, which is why he was wandering down the sidewalks in his padded coat, staring in the windows of the record store. Elton John and the "Two Virgins" albums, "Eat a Peach" and Patsy Cline. It was kind of a surprise to see himself reflected on the albums, see his spikes of red-gold streaks palely alternating with Carole King's "Tapestry" and "Sweet Baby James" as he shifted his visual perception. Very melancholy and very lovely, one of my favorite combos.

The Twilight of Reality by [livejournal.com profile] auditrix Oz/Connor This fic contains drug use and shifting realities and violence. Reading it is like watching reality disintegrate around you. Very well done. If you're confused about what's going on, there's an AN at the end that explains everything.

Riley

Reprise by [livejournal.com profile] eliade Spike/Riley This is the first fic I read where Riley wasn't an evil murderer rapist who throws rocks at church windows, and it really opened my mind to the possiblities of Riley's character. It was a watershed moment for me in terms of my development as a slash reader. I very much love this fic.


Spander

Tallywhackers by [livejournal.com profile] amejisuto and [livejournal.com profile] suki_blue Let's just say anthropormorphized wee-wees and buttholes. It'll make ya split your sides.

Freaking by [livejournal.com profile] entrenous88 This Spander piece focuses on decidedly less than angsty responses to Xander coming out of the closet with Spike firmly attached. Very fun and so nice to read something where all the Scoobies are friends and friendly with each other.

A Night of Naughty by [livejournal.com profile] nasty_shrew This Spander fic was written especially for me (*hearts*) and features two of my very favorite things: drugs and boys in eyeliner. Fun, fun read.

Is it Real or Non-Believe? or Hitchhike to Hickelbob by [livejournal.com profile] nasty_shrew Shrew took the title of this Spander piece from one of my student quotes posts (which are, sadly and for obvious reasons, flocked). This is one of my favorite fics, pretty much ever. Funny, sexy, and just, well, Shrew.

Engineer by [livejournal.com profile] rayne_y_daze This Spander fic is written in memorium of Jimmy Doohan, and is a lovely tribute. RIP, Scotty.

Fifty Bucks Spander, of course. (Gosh it's hard to imagine [livejournal.com profile] bloodclaim as a newbie comm as it's definitely the go-to for Spander now) This is, like all of [livejournal.com profile] tabaqui's work, very well written and sensuous, but I bookmarked this one because it's just durn hot! :)

The Golden Wren by [livejournal.com profile] tabaqui This Spander piece is glorious. Quoting my feedback to this fic, I still haven't read a thing Tabi's written that I haven't liked.

Without Price by [livejournal.com profile] winterlive This two-part Spander piece is heavy on the angst, just the way I likes it. "You aren't a real Scooby and I don't love you. You aren't like my brother or my son. I could live anywhere I wanted, got lots of money. Don't need you to take care of me. If I yell at you, you can tell me to go fuck myself and I'll still talk to you. I'm here, I'm still here... oh, fuck, Xander..." The writer is very attentive to detail, and the fic is very much grounded in sense experience.

Spike


The Sound of Silence by [livejournal.com profile] felisblanco Spike/Angel Spike is having a difficult time dealing with the acquisition of his soul and his resurrection. Spike has an accident that renders him coma-like, and then the POV shifts to Angel. This is heartbreaking, heartwrenching, and very much a fic of discovery for both characters involved.

Xander

The Beginning, Another Beginning, and Some Stuff That Happened In-Between by [livejournal.com profile] stoptocheer Xander/Giles Set in season 4, this catalogues the slow evolution of a relationship. This writer has a true gift for dialogue. The spoken passages just zing off the page. Great read.

Tales of the Watchers by [livejournal.com profile] stoptocheer Xander and Giles gen. This piece is set after "Becoming Parts 1 and 2" and "The Gift." Giles and Xander find some synchronicity in their responses to danger and trauma. This is sad, but gorgeous. And to me, in that last line, hopeful.

Date: 2006-04-04 01:05 pm (UTC)
gloss: woman in front of birch tree looking to the right (Xander gets quiet)
From: [personal profile] gloss
Aww, dude, I miss [livejournal.com profile] stoptocheer's Xander like nothing else.

Date: 2006-04-04 04:38 pm (UTC)
gloss: woman in front of birch tree looking to the right (secret history of slayer and watcher)
From: [personal profile] gloss
...which is (not) to say, thank you for les recs.

Date: 2006-04-05 03:48 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
And they are well deserved recs. :)

I think [livejournal.com profile] stoptocheer is brilliant. I haven't read everything s/he's written, but I do love what I've read.

Date: 2006-04-04 03:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tabaqui
Hey!
Thank you so much, bay-bee, for the lovely, lovely recs.
And for pointing something out to me, indirectly - i need to put the names of things in the body of the post, not just behind the cut!
Sheesh.

Umm. Just so you know - in the order you posted them, the names are 'One Perfect Moment', 'Fifty Bucks', and 'The Golden Wren'.
*smoooch*

Date: 2006-04-05 03:50 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
Oh, eeep. I'm so embarassed. All edited now. :) Thanks so much for the catch.

Date: 2006-04-05 04:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tabaqui
Nah, no reason to be embarassed. The titles were all in the cuts, so...

Date: 2006-04-05 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thelastgoodname.livejournal.com
Rec things without having feedbacked them?

I almost never feedback anything. I know everyone always says that feedback is the grease that keeps fandom running smoothly, but I think of authors as authors -- not to say that authorial intent is useless, but that I behave as if there is no point in engaging an author unless what I'm really doing is engaging the text, and I only do that when I have something substantive to say (and even then, I usually don't direct it to the author, but to the {literary} community at large). So feeding an author with a, "wow, you write really well and this is a great story" is less interesting to me (or for me) than saying to my friends, "hey: I read something great, and I think you should read it, too."* (#note) In this way, I don't really distinguish between profic and fanfic; if I don't write to JK Rowling about her books, why would I write to a fan author about their story?

I realize that this is disingenuous, as I'm a member of an authorial community in fandom that is vastly different from my reader-author relationship to professional authors, but even then, while I'm sure it's polite for the community of professional authors to send each other little notes saying, "I adored your latest book," I doubt they do it all the time. Not that that's a good excuse or anything, but this is what I do and why I do it.

And of course, when I'm reading stuff that friends have written, there is a fine line to walk, but I still treat it as if it's capable of standing on it's own, and I'm not needed as a cheerleader (except when I am: yes, Lorraine, you will finish your PhD dissertation and it will be excellent).

* What I'd prefer to do sometimes is say, "hey: I read something interesting/different/disconcerting/that I'm having trouble with, and I wanted to know what you think about it." Of course, I don't actually do this, because of the community nature of fandom: I wouldn't want to upset anyone. But I'd like to do it, because that's how I respond to other things that I read, and I don't think fan-produced material should be treated substantially differently than other material.

I deconstruct children's finger-painted drawings in exactly the same way I deconstruct paintings in museums, too; maybe I'm just weird.
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Date: 2006-04-05 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com
Because I came into fandom around the same time I entered college I can't say which is more responsible for it, but I know that now I encounter almost all texts, from fanfics to tv shows to lectures, approximately the same way -- that is, very detail-oriented, writing up responses, wanting to engage people in discussion with it, and wanting to engage the text-creator. I know it's not feasible to engage most published authors in discussion of their work, but in an ideal world I would.

I also think that especially in the world of fanfic, encouraging people who are doing good work and assisting writers is so important. I'm always wary of sending any crit to an author because there have been so many furors with people only wanting crit from writers they trust, people not wanting any crit on this writing they do just for fun, etc., but my natural instinct is to share/provide information and offering suggestions for improvement in writing when I can totally comes under that. Also, I know my writing needs a lot of improvement and I love hearing from other people what works for them and what doesn't in my fics.

What I'd prefer to do sometimes is say, "hey: I read something interesting/different/disconcerting/that I'm having trouble with, and I wanted to know what you think about it." Of course, I don't actually do this, because of the community nature of fandom: I wouldn't want to upset anyone. But I'd like to do it, because that's how I respond to other things that I read, and I don't think fan-produced material should be treated substantially differently than other material.

Flocked post, maybe? I know I love discussing texts with people (as stated above). And [livejournal.com profile] club_joss does provide some opportunity to do that -- though of course it's limited participation, limited selected texts, etc.

Date: 2006-04-05 03:59 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
I agree with you that the encouragement aspect of fb is very important. If my first fanfic attempts hadn't been so well received, I don't know if I would have continued to participate in fandom. I feel very sad that I don't have a lot of time to spend online lately because I'd like to provide that encouragement to newbie writers, but I only have time for flisty reading at this point. :(

Date: 2006-04-05 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com
Yeah, my fic reading is largely limited to flist and recs due to lack of time. One bonus of just reading the flist, though, is I feel more safe in giving crit, and can react to the fic in the context of the author's larger oeuvre.

Date: 2006-04-05 02:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
True, true. I feel much more comfy engaging someone on the flist on a deeper level than enjoyment over what they've written

Date: 2006-04-05 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com
And I can withhold crit until a later date if I know they're having a rough time at the moment :)

Date: 2006-04-05 03:57 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
I behave as if there is no point in engaging an author unless what I'm really doing is engaging the text

For the most part, I agree with you. Like [livejournal.com profile] hermionesviolin comments below, I approach everything in the same way--from fanfic to the novels I'm reading for my diss to the cartoons on Adult Swim. But, I also treat fic feedback as part of lj friendships. This is not to say I fb disengenously. I don't tell people I like something if I don't or whatnot. But I do read the fic my friends list posts, providing I'm familiar with the source material, and comment on it because that's another way of interacting with these people I've chosen to spend my online time with. Now, outside the flist--I probably don't even have time to read it anymore sadly, much less comment in the interest of community cohesiveness.

yes, Lorraine, you will finish your PhD dissertation and it will be excellent

My day, you have made, yes. /yoda speak

*hearts*

Date: 2006-04-06 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] krayat.livejournal.com
Yoda speak, you say? Mrmmmmm, hee hee hee hee hee.

Date: 2006-04-06 06:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
LOL

You know I can't think of Yoda without thinking of my very favorite line from the Green Menace: "Do it with the force, goddamn it!!"

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH

Date: 2006-04-05 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emella.livejournal.com
Good for you on the mem restructure, I've been meaning to do that for a couple weeks. :)

Date: 2006-04-05 03:59 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
Now, I've got to do another big rec post with all the others. Lordy it'll take a million years. LOL

Date: 2006-04-05 04:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emella.livejournal.com
LOL! Well good luck. :D

Date: 2006-04-05 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com
I try to feedback most everything I read, but sometimes I have nothing to say (which is extra bad when I wanna correct typos but don't have any substantive comments and I feel too tacky to just drop a note saying, "hey, typos"). Non-LJ adds an extra step (and I know some people are more reluctant to e-mail feedback, which is why I try to include LJ *and* website links if a fic is available both places) but it doesn't hinder my feedbacking much. And I definitely feedback indiscriminate of my involvement in that fic's given fandom.

Date: 2006-04-05 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com
Oh, and I feel bad reccing stuff if I haven't feedbacked it, 'cause I worry what if the author sees the rec and thinks, "Oh, I'm so glad I got recced, but the reccer never sent me a comment, what up?" 'Cause I know that's what I think when it happens. I probably have recced stuff without feedbacking it at one time or another though.

Date: 2006-04-05 04:03 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
Sigh.

I think your reaction is probably the common one, which is even more badder on Lorraine.

*resolves to do better*

Date: 2006-04-05 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com
Hey, it's never too late to feedback :)

Date: 2006-04-06 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
hermionesviolin: maybe I'm wrong about this, but I find it hard to believe that the writer knows who fb'd what (or that she'll go back and check). Anyway, I think recs and fb serve different purposes, and writers are glad to get either but don't insist on getting both from each reader.

Date: 2006-04-06 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com
Personally, I get very little feedback on my fics, so I'm likely to recognize a name or not if I see a rec. With more read authors you're probably right. I was also thinking especially about Remix, where so many people were talking about the same group of stories in a short period of time, so it becomes much easier to see who's reccing your story and to notice if they also sent you feedback. (This was further complicated by the trend of "correctly guess which remix I wrote and I'll make you something nice," as I know at least one person who had people correctly guess her fic but not send her any feedback on it, which she found profoundly strange.)

Certainly authors would be happy to get either. I just know if I saw a rec from someone but hadn't received any feedback from them I would feel weird, like, "They liked it enough to tell their friends but not to tell the actual author?" Because I know if I like something not only do I want to share it with other people but I want to tell the creator that I liked it.

Date: 2006-04-06 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
Hey, *I* didn't know about the Recent comments function, so thanks!

But the deeper question is that there are dozens of reasons why somebody wouldn't FB. Hell, maybe she's jealous of how great it is and she can't say it to the writer's face. Maybe she dislikes the writer personally but has to admit that this is an excellent piece of work. Maybe the recommendation is less than total, or is specific to a particular thread or comment: not "you gotta read this!" but "hey, remember that canon point you said you'd never seen a story about, well this one is about this, and it has some problems but it's worth reading."

You mentioned Remix--somebody who's just read 72 stories might have exhausted her ability to make pithy yet profound comments (or even to type with her scrolling finger!).

There are also reasons germane to the reader but totally outside the story--e.g., she read it on PalmPilot in the hospital waiting room where her grandmother just had a stroke; she's putting in insane hours closing the books; she's afraid that if she doesn't pull an all-nighter she's going to flunk Chem 235--or some other reason where she just managed to sneak the time to *read* the fic and can't steal enough time to fb it.

Date: 2006-04-06 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com
Always happy to share information about LJ features, as Lorraine well knows :)

I absolutely understand that there are a myriad of reasons why someone wouldn't FB a fic, even a fic they quite liked. What weirds me out (rather than just frustrating me, as not feedbacking does) is when someone recs something (and I mean a straight-up rec, not a mention in a comment thread with somebody or a "Hey, Friend X, you'd love Story L" or anything like that) but doesn't fb it. I admit to reading fic by someone I had a personal falling out with and whom therefore I can't bring myself to send fb to but some of which stories I recced because I thought they were that good. But I would think if you were too tired/busy/whatever to fb a story, even just to say, "I loved this," wouldn't you be too whatever to rec it? Though I suppose sometimes people do single line recs but wanna write more in-depth if they're sending fb. [Because I have all sorts of weird feelings about reccing without fb-ing, I have a backlog of fics to rec which I haven't fbed yet. But I am as always an outlier.]

In Lorraine's reply to my comment, she mentioned treating recs like fb, whcih seems fair to me. I just can't get away from my personal feeling of weirdness at reccing without fbing.

[Oh, and Lorraine, I remembered something else relevant to your comment about getting no response to fb. One thing I've seen come up a lot in the discussions about feedbacking is authors feeling weird responding when all they have to say is "Thanks."]

Date: 2006-04-06 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
hermionesviolin: often, it's a timing issue--i.e., when the story goes up, and especially when a ficathon goes up (or when the reveal happens)it's just a horribly inconvenient time for the reader. But then, three months later, Grandma's recuperating! It's the slow season at work! The kids don't have soccer anymore! and then the reader says, "Hey, I know! I'll do a Recs set!"

Date: 2006-04-06 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com
I definitely understand the timing issue. As I mentioned, I have a backlog of stuff to fb; and I have a huge backlog of stuff to read. I guess I just think, "Why not send fb when you're doing the recs set?"

[P.S. Icon? Is there a pun I'm missing?]

Date: 2006-04-06 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
hermionesviolin: there's no really easy answer, because of the question of whether feedback long after the posting is "stale." Hell, half the time I can't even remember the names of the damn things I wrote three months ago, much less why I did things a particular way.

PS: If Snape, who for all his faults is not indecisive, is the half BLOOD prince...

Date: 2006-04-06 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com
I'm crap at coming up with titles and thus then crap at remembering which story goes with a given title, but (perhaps because I've written relatively few stories) once I actually see a story I remember it fairly well, often including why I made certain authorial choices.

I know the "stale" issue is one reason people give for not feedbacking (though I had forgotten it during this conversation). Personally I always welcome feedback on my work, regardless of how old it is -- though I know people have rightfully complained about getting thorough crits on old work when the crit really isn't relevant anymore because they've improved on those scores or for whatever other reason.

Basically what it comes down to is that I am going to continue acting towards other people as I would want them to act toward me, but it is good for me to learn/be reminded of how other people prefer to act/be acted toward, and most of all I wish that people were clear about all this. It makes me sad that people might read a fic of mine and not send me fb because they don't feel comfortable critting a stranger or because the fic is "old" but I also wouldn't want to waste my time sending fb (crit or no) to someone who honestly doesn't want it. I'm not sure I could be any clearer re: my own fb preferences in my story headers, but so many people don't mention anything in their headers so I default to my safest position: sending praise if I have any, mentioning typos only if I also have praise, etc.

P.S. Ah, got it. :)

Date: 2006-04-06 07:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
Huh. I'll admit to being a victim of the stale issue when it concerns meta posts or what have you that people make. I don't comment on old posts often because it feels like the conversation is over or has gone on to new things. But I don't ever feel that way about fic. It's like, Should we talk about Margaret Atwood's first book of short stories just because the next ones were way way better? (which I know *you're* not saying that)

Date: 2006-04-06 07:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
not talk

not talk

damn

Date: 2006-04-06 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm hesitant about commenting on old non-fic posts (though I say over and over that I get comments e-mailed and people are more than welcome to comment on anything I've ever posted regardless of how long ago) but I don't feel like there should be any sort of statute of limitations on commenting on old fic. (Obviously with the caveat I mentioned somewhere else about how critting something old can be counter-/non-productive if the writer has improved since then.) I like your analogy -- and is why this idea is so weird to me (though I can understand it on some levels) since I'm an English major and we're *always* talking about texts.

[And I read it as "not talk" :) ]

Date: 2006-04-06 06:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
One thing I've seen come up a lot in the discussions about feedbacking is authors feeling weird responding when all they have to say is "Thanks."

That I don't get. See my comment to Exec above.

Date: 2006-04-06 06:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
I agree that there's all kinds of reasons people don't feedback, and I'll add another--not getting a response from the author. I really hate that. If I leave fb, I want the author to say, Thanks. I don't expect anything more than that, especially if it's a highly trafficked fic, but I do expect that. I make exceptions for fic with hundreds of comments. I know I couldn't answer all that fb and don't expect someone else to. It's just good manners to say thank you when someone says something nice to you. I know a lot of writers get tetchy when people suggest that a response to fb is a good thing, but I can't help it. I'm Southern.

Date: 2006-04-06 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
Love your new icons, kid!

I think that even for a lightly-trafficked LJ, it's not necessary to have a no-real-content post. So, we can't assume that every lurker has read a fic, much less that everyone enjoyed it. IMO "good story, I liked it" has content, but "thanks for the fb" can be stipulated to.

Date: 2006-04-07 02:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
Thanks and all the icons are shareable (except the one that's my name and I can't imagine why anyone would want that LOL), so have at it if you want any.

Date: 2006-04-06 02:35 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
as I know at least one person who had people correctly guess her fic but not send her any feedback on it, which she found profoundly strange

How incredibly tacky.

I've actually been recc'd a couple of times without getting feedback from that author, and it didn't make me feel weird. What I did, like a big attention ho, was treated it as fb and commented with a thanks as these recs happened in a comm post. Twice that I know of I've been recced in someone's personal lj, which I did not respond to, cause that would be weird since that person's not on my flist, but once the person who pointed it out to me was good enough to do so in the comments to the fic itself so I can go back and read it as fb if I want to, too.

Date: 2006-04-05 04:02 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lunabee34.livejournal.com
I think that part of the reason I don't email fb is that so many times when I have, I received no response. At least on lj, you can see your comment. There it is. You know the person has received it, even if they choose not to respond to it (which I personally find tacky, unless you've got a bajillion people reading your journal and just don't have time to respond to all the comments, which I do understand), but when I don't receive a response to an email, I think--Did they even get it?

Date: 2006-04-05 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com
I actually feel more safe in assuming someone's received my feedback if I e-mail it because I know people -- esp. LJ newbies -- don't always have e-mail comment notification enabled, and not everyone knows about the Recent Comments function.

And I know what it feels like to not have time for a "proper" response and then not get to it for ages and feel weird responding so long after the fact.

Date: 2006-04-05 03:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gloss
And I know what it feels like to not have time for a "proper" response and then not get to it for ages and feel weird responding so long after the fact.
I still owe you a reply on your Buffy-Firefly feedback. *cringes*

Date: 2006-04-05 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hermionesviolin.livejournal.com
It was actually that conversation that I was thinking of :) Though I know I do it myself with responding to regular LJ comments and also with feedbacking fic. Since I know you *got* the feedback (and even what I consider a decent reason for not responding yet) there are no hard feelings, I promise.

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